Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

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Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

By Jenny Awford

Louise Kayim with her chihuahua Stimpy

A DOG-lover has said she lives in fear of her pets being mauled after her chihuahua was attacked by a fox in her garden.

Louise Kayim, 31, of Charminster, chased after the fox when she saw her one-and-a-half-year-old miniature dog Stimpy being carried away in the animal’s jaws.

Her brave other dog, Tinks, also ran after the fox in a bid to try and help save Stimpy.

She said: “I heard my dog scream, so I ran down to the bottom of the garden and saw my little chihuahua being carried away in the fox’s mouth.

“It was terrifying, I thought he would definitely be dead, but I ran around the neighbourhood trying to find him. Luckily one of my neighbours found him hiding from the fox.”

Stimpy was rushed to the vet, but suffered no major injuries.

Louise who has a seven-foot fence surrounding her garden in Strouden Road, said several of her neighbours have had similar problems.

She said: “Two of my neighbours had their cats killed by a fox recently so it could be the same one. I feel like I’m waiting for my pet to be killed. It’s awful.”

The 31-year-old is now calling for action to be taken.

“I did contact the Bournemouth council but they would not help with the problem. I think people should be given advice about what to do,” she said.

“A lot of my elderly neighbours keep feeding them and this only encourages them. Something needs to be done.”

Bournemouth council pointed out the advice about foxes on its website, which says: “We strongly advise that you do not feed them as this can lead to an overcrowding in a given area.”

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4:09pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Lewcee

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From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

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6:42pm Sat 7 Sep 13

KLH

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Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.
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6:52pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!
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7:19pm Sat 7 Sep 13

ragj195

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Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.
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7:27pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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ragj195 wrote:

Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.

[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.[/p][/quote]Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.
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7:32pm Sat 7 Sep 13

FriendsofKC

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!
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7:41pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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FriendsofKC wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.

[quote][p][bold]FriendsofKC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around![/p][/quote]Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.
Louisek

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8:21pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Hobad1

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Louisek wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.
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8:24pm Sat 7 Sep 13

KLH

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Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!
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Louisek

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Hobad1 wrote:

Louisek wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!

[quote][p][bold]Hobad1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!
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10:12pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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KLH wrote:

Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!![/p][/quote]Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.
Louisek

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Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

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Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

By Jenny Awford

Louise Kayim with her chihuahua Stimpy

A DOG-lover has said she lives in fear of her pets being mauled after her chihuahua was attacked by a fox in her garden.

Louise Kayim, 31, of Charminster, chased after the fox when she saw her one-and-a-half-year-old miniature dog Stimpy being carried away in the animal’s jaws.

Her brave other dog, Tinks, also ran after the fox in a bid to try and help save Stimpy.

She said: “I heard my dog scream, so I ran down to the bottom of the garden and saw my little chihuahua being carried away in the fox’s mouth.

“It was terrifying, I thought he would definitely be dead, but I ran around the neighbourhood trying to find him. Luckily one of my neighbours found him hiding from the fox.”

Stimpy was rushed to the vet, but suffered no major injuries.

Louise who has a seven-foot fence surrounding her garden in Strouden Road, said several of her neighbours have had similar problems.

She said: “Two of my neighbours had their cats killed by a fox recently so it could be the same one. I feel like I’m waiting for my pet to be killed. It’s awful.”

The 31-year-old is now calling for action to be taken.

“I did contact the Bournemouth council but they would not help with the problem. I think people should be given advice about what to do,” she said.

“A lot of my elderly neighbours keep feeding them and this only encourages them. Something needs to be done.”

Bournemouth council pointed out the advice about foxes on its website, which says: “We strongly advise that you do not feed them as this can lead to an overcrowding in a given area.”

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4:09pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Lewcee

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From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

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6:42pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.
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6:52pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!
Louisek

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7:19pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.
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7:27pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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ragj195 wrote:

Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.

[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.[/p][/quote]Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.
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7:32pm Sat 7 Sep 13

FriendsofKC

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!
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7:41pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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FriendsofKC wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.

[quote][p][bold]FriendsofKC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around![/p][/quote]Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.
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Louisek wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.
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KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!
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10:05pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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Louisek wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!

[quote][p][bold]Hobad1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!
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10:12pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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KLH wrote:

Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!![/p][/quote]Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.
Louisek

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Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

Posted by Big Rat on Campus on Sep 8, 2013 in Rat Answers | Subscribe

Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

By Jenny Awford

Louise Kayim with her chihuahua Stimpy

A DOG-lover has said she lives in fear of her pets being mauled after her chihuahua was attacked by a fox in her garden.

Louise Kayim, 31, of Charminster, chased after the fox when she saw her one-and-a-half-year-old miniature dog Stimpy being carried away in the animal’s jaws.

Her brave other dog, Tinks, also ran after the fox in a bid to try and help save Stimpy.

She said: “I heard my dog scream, so I ran down to the bottom of the garden and saw my little chihuahua being carried away in the fox’s mouth.

“It was terrifying, I thought he would definitely be dead, but I ran around the neighbourhood trying to find him. Luckily one of my neighbours found him hiding from the fox.”

Stimpy was rushed to the vet, but suffered no major injuries.

Louise who has a seven-foot fence surrounding her garden in Strouden Road, said several of her neighbours have had similar problems.

She said: “Two of my neighbours had their cats killed by a fox recently so it could be the same one. I feel like I’m waiting for my pet to be killed. It’s awful.”

The 31-year-old is now calling for action to be taken.

“I did contact the Bournemouth council but they would not help with the problem. I think people should be given advice about what to do,” she said.

“A lot of my elderly neighbours keep feeding them and this only encourages them. Something needs to be done.”

Bournemouth council pointed out the advice about foxes on its website, which says: “We strongly advise that you do not feed them as this can lead to an overcrowding in a given area.”

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4:09pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

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6:42pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.
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6:52pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!
Louisek

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Louisek wrote:

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Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.
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7:27pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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ragj195 wrote:

Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.

[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.[/p][/quote]Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.
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7:32pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!
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7:41pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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FriendsofKC wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.

[quote][p][bold]FriendsofKC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around![/p][/quote]Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.
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8:21pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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Louisek wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.
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8:24pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!
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Louisek

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Hobad1 wrote:

Louisek wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!

[quote][p][bold]Hobad1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!
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KLH wrote:

Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.

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[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!![/p][/quote]Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.
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Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

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Living in fear of fox after Chihuahua attacked

By Jenny Awford

Louise Kayim with her chihuahua Stimpy

A DOG-lover has said she lives in fear of her pets being mauled after her chihuahua was attacked by a fox in her garden.

Louise Kayim, 31, of Charminster, chased after the fox when she saw her one-and-a-half-year-old miniature dog Stimpy being carried away in the animal’s jaws.

Her brave other dog, Tinks, also ran after the fox in a bid to try and help save Stimpy.

She said: “I heard my dog scream, so I ran down to the bottom of the garden and saw my little chihuahua being carried away in the fox’s mouth.

“It was terrifying, I thought he would definitely be dead, but I ran around the neighbourhood trying to find him. Luckily one of my neighbours found him hiding from the fox.”

Stimpy was rushed to the vet, but suffered no major injuries.

Louise who has a seven-foot fence surrounding her garden in Strouden Road, said several of her neighbours have had similar problems.

She said: “Two of my neighbours had their cats killed by a fox recently so it could be the same one. I feel like I’m waiting for my pet to be killed. It’s awful.”

The 31-year-old is now calling for action to be taken.

“I did contact the Bournemouth council but they would not help with the problem. I think people should be given advice about what to do,” she said.

“A lot of my elderly neighbours keep feeding them and this only encourages them. Something needs to be done.”

Bournemouth council pointed out the advice about foxes on its website, which says: “We strongly advise that you do not feed them as this can lead to an overcrowding in a given area.”

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4:09pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Lewcee

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From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

From the Royal Borough Of Kensington Chelsea Council, London – (Next Buck House), –
“Foxes are classed as wild animals, not pests, and the Council has no statutory powers or legal rights to eradicate foxes on private or other land”…and…”Legal
ly, there are only two methods that can be used to dispose of foxes:
1. Shooting
2.Cage trapping, in combination with the administering of a lethal injection.
The first option is far too dangerous to be used in urban areas. We do not want to encourage people to walk around our streets, gardens and parks carrying and discharging firearms.
“The second option is just too expensive. The costs of trapping and giving a fox a lethal injection is in excess of £500 per fox. In addition, only a vet can administer a lethal injection and most vets are unwilling to put down any healthy animal.”
(I know, this doesn’t help at all, but it shows that the problem is widespread).

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6:42pm Sat 7 Sep 13

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Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.
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6:52pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!
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7:19pm Sat 7 Sep 13

ragj195

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Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.
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7:27pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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ragj195 wrote:

Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH!

Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.

Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.

[quote][p][bold]ragj195[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH..

Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that.

Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats!

Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]Get a friend with a big dog round to urinate and generally hang around your garden. The fox will soon get the message.[/p][/quote]Good call – thank you!

I was told you can buy a product which has tiger excrement in it.. so I’m researching that idea too.
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7:32pm Sat 7 Sep 13

FriendsofKC

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KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!
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7:41pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Louisek

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FriendsofKC wrote:

KLH wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around!

Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.

[quote][p][bold]FriendsofKC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox!

As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference!

As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Many years ago a TV programme which I think was in Bristol and narrated by David Attenborough, was watching the foxes in the city at night. As you say, the cats scared the foxes! Foxes are not stupid and don’t want to lose their sight due to a claw in the eye from a cat!
I recall a dog I had many years ago being caught in the eye by a cats claw and causing a lot of damage!
I think we should be grateful for having foxes around in urban areas as it keeps the rats numbers down as well! We can’t really complain about them when we leave so much rubbish around![/p][/quote]Thank you KC.

Perhaps my neighbours may have been mistaken about the foxes and their cats. My vet did say the same things to me, re – cats claws.

It is difficult to blame foxes when there is so much rubbish around.. You’re right there.
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8:21pm Sat 7 Sep 13

Hobad1

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Louisek wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.
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8:24pm Sat 7 Sep 13

KLH

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Louisek wrote:

KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!
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Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise

Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.

Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!

[quote][p][bold]Hobad1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
Hi there

Thanks for the replies – some more helpful than others.

Actually this has happened a few times in our area.. and my neighbours have also had some problems, a few have had cats killed. This is the second time it’s happened with my dog, however this time it was quite stressful. I certainly don’t think the fox took my dog over the fence because it’s too high. Although my garden has several neighbours gardens that are next to us and I think it went through there – or even my dog ran after it, I don’t know. I did however see the fox in my neighbours garden with the dog and I couldn’t get over the tall fence- so I screamed a lot at the fox which I think scared it. Although, by the time I got into the garden my dog had gone.. My neighbour later found it sheltering behind her shed.

I suppose I was hoping I could get some advice how to deter the foxes. Like I said some people do feed them unfortunately so this does make things difficult. I’m not sure a repellent would really work because my garden is so big.. At the moment I’m getting a pen for the dogs – seems the safer option.

Idea’s are welcomed though! thank you kindly.
Louise[/p][/quote]Hi Louisek, being a dog-lover (but unfortunately not a dog owner), I can think of a couple of things that may help. Firstly…security lighting in your garden. If the attacks are happening in your garden, and when it’s getting dark, install some sensor security lighting, if you havent done so already. Your dogs, being in the property every day, will get used to it. But foxes, not frequenting the property so often, may be startled by it, and leave the property. Secondly, a few months ago I did a painting job for an elderly gentleman. At his property I noticed a high-pitch sound each time I went there. He couldn’t hear it (probably because he was elderly), but I could. I asked him what it was, and he said he had installed fox-repellants in his garden….they look like garden solar lights, but rather than light up, they emit a high pitch frequency when an animal approaches, which apparently is a deterrant to urban wildlife. I am unsure whether dogs would also hear the frequency, but if they dont, this may help. Probably best to speak to your vet, the RSPCA, or a Pet store to get advice on this (like I say I love dogs but dont have one, so cant confirm whether this will work or not). Anyway, if either of these help in any way, then its been worth me typing this response. If I think of anything else I’ll be in touch. Good luck.[/p][/quote]Thank you Hobad – great ideas!

We do have lighting already but each time I’ve had these problems it’s been in the morning – so it’s always daylight. However I did think of the high pitched sounds but as you say it might cause a problem for the dogs too. My vet didn’t mention this but I will ask them about it.
Thank you for your ideas!
Louisek

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KLH wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.

Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH!

No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!!

Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.

[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Louisek[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]KLH[/bold] wrote: Regarding cats – has anyone actually SEEN a fox kill a cat. Foxes will pick up the carcass of an already dead cat, do people think of it from this angle? I have seen cats CHASING foxes, and if a fox took on a cat, it usually comes off worst, a cat is just a furry ball of teeth and claws at the end of the day, they are the boss over any dog/fox! As for the chihuahua – fox probably thought it was a rat, and rats are a fox’s favourite prey. A fox wouldn’t tell the difference between this dog or a rat. Large dogs can mistake a very small toy breed with rats or even squirrels, to a dog no difference! As for the foxes killing cats, prove it – cats sort foxes out, no problem, it is only already dead cats foxes will normally take.[/p][/quote]Thank you KLH.. Sure, I suppose the cats may have been killed in another way… It’s just what my neighbours said. But I appreciate that. Do you have any ideas how I can ward off the foxes? Like I said it’s twice happened. My dogs even look for the foxes when I let them out now. At the moment I’ve gone with a pen idea… I suppose given what you said about cats I could buy a cat to protect the dogs, although they don’t really like cats! Thanks KLH![/p][/quote]No problems. Admittedly I used to feed a fox myself, cheeky monkey invited himself to a barbecue and waited for people to throw him sausages, and he was fussy about his sausages too, they had to be cooked, he wouldn’t touch raw ones….. same fox nearly pinched a joint of pork my neighbour had for his sunday dinner, it was cooked and while he was waiting for his veggies to finish cooking he put the meat on a dish on a worktop. Mush came in from outside unknown to him and he knocked something over, but my neighbour caught him on the worktop after the meat. and he climbed on the bird table.

They can be lovely to watch as they are such beautiful animals – and they are very cunning. One of the remedies I learnt about deterring foxes was having a man piddle around the perimeter of the garden – foxes apparently hate the smell of men’s wee – it doesn’t work with women. Not taking the wee wee by the way there, it is a method that is widely explained on the Net, lol!![/p][/quote]Goodness KLH – what a very bold fox!

I have seen the foxes coming up to my patio doors in the garden recently – this is at night and they will look in. Obviously this drives my dogs crazy. The fox does not seem at all scared unless I come along and turn the kitchen lights on.

In terms of urinating around the garden – my husband actually mentioned that idea but I had thought he was joking!. Although I’ve been reading into it more as I’ve been researching the problem myself. Hence when I heard about the tiger excrement idea.. a nice chap in Robert Dyas told me about that!

Appreciate all your ideas! thank you ever so much.
Louisek

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